tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post4552076793382782711..comments2023-11-05T00:59:10.828-07:00Comments on decorabilia: should the real ICC be the focus of the debate?Jim Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09928624189124041120noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-37632080166276353342009-01-07T18:46:00.000-08:002009-01-07T18:46:00.000-08:00Jim, I hope you can help me see how things are hap...Jim, I hope you can help me see how things are happening right now. How does the U.S. currently adjudicate "crimes against humanity"? What does the U.S. do to people who commit these crimes (if anything)? Is there any evidence to indicate that the U.S. won't do anything to stop these crimes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-59955379452373639022009-01-05T19:47:00.000-08:002009-01-05T19:47:00.000-08:00yeah but seeing as the ICC is the only court that ...yeah but seeing as the ICC is the only court that prosecutes CAH's...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-10446113522479633772009-01-04T16:35:00.000-08:002009-01-04T16:35:00.000-08:00I disagree, the ICC should not be the focus of the...I disagree, the ICC should not be the focus of the debate, there is also the ICJ if anyone has read into that. It is a gross assumption for us to debate only about the ICC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-79284119293662138452008-12-31T16:00:00.000-08:002008-12-31T16:00:00.000-08:00That Guy, this might help.<B>That Guy</B>, <A HREF="http://decorabilia.blogspot.com/2008/12/defining-submit-in-international.html" REL="nofollow">this might help.</A>Jim Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09928624189124041120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-70747643565082160192008-12-31T14:08:00.000-08:002008-12-31T14:08:00.000-08:00what I dont get is how the aff is supposed to defi...what I dont get is how the aff is supposed to define "submit" cuz all I can find is "yield or surrender" and that would kill the aff instantly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-83156284584303726952008-12-16T11:12:00.000-08:002008-12-16T11:12:00.000-08:00You're right, that sounds more accurate. The debat...You're right, that sounds more accurate. The debates will probably come down to whether or not the U.S. cedes its national sovreignty by submitting, or whether or not the U.S. can be morally obligated to cede some of it's sovreignty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-34006765095821722622008-12-16T10:07:00.000-08:002008-12-16T10:07:00.000-08:00I'd tend to disagree. I think that the definition ...I'd tend to disagree. I think that the definition of submit is pretty straightforward.it means to become a regular member, to agree to the rules that have been decided by that court---essentially to forfeit sovereignty over the matter of war crimes committed against the United States or by the United States. I think that by arguing for a lesser definition or not being able to successfully argue with this defintion, then you'll not be debating the realms of the resolution and put yourself in a weak spot. Rather debate centered on the definition of what the United States is and its obligations to its people and other nations is much more of a topical issue that will win you rounds rather than losing it. Basically, providing framework on the term submit leaves no room for educational debate, providing framework based on the United States does, and puts you in a better position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-80769474662781087492008-12-16T09:43:00.000-08:002008-12-16T09:43:00.000-08:00I believe that's correct, James, but the definitio...I believe that's correct, James, but the definition of U.S. is much less important than the definition of submit, in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-17117944364886036192008-12-11T14:50:00.000-08:002008-12-11T14:50:00.000-08:00I don't think that debate has to center around the...I don't think that debate has to center around the ICC, just because the United States is mentioned. I think that the resolution is asking for an evaluation in terms of what the moral obligation ought be, taking into account what the United States is (ie:global hegemon,protector/violator of human rights,etc)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-47586909635229105962008-12-04T08:13:00.000-08:002008-12-04T08:13:00.000-08:00I think if the Aff case is not based on the ICC, t...I think if the Aff case is not based on the ICC, then Neg arguments pointing out flaws in the ICC or saying the Aff's interpretation of an international court could easily be dodged. <BR/><BR/>The counterarguments that the ICC is not ideal, the resolution does not mention it, and that if the Aff can show that the US should submit to an ideal court they still uphold the resolution are strong enough to withstand the assault.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand if the Neg tries to negate with arguments about possible dangers of an international court, the Aff could easily and effectively respond by showing those problems don't exist in the ICC.<BR/><BR/>Seems to me like it is easier for the Aff to win squabbles about the ICC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-31336977891305985222008-12-03T19:59:00.000-08:002008-12-03T19:59:00.000-08:00Can anyone explain to me what government legitimac...Can anyone explain to me what government legitimacy is? I've been trying to figure it out since the last resolution. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-24254393409058438412008-12-03T14:51:00.000-08:002008-12-03T14:51:00.000-08:00I guess you're from the west district. The east di...I guess you're from the west district. The east district is far from policy. With a high emphasis on philosophy, and spreading and theory strongly discouraged, I'm not worried about policy taking over where I'm from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-64743841995645997022008-12-03T14:22:00.000-08:002008-12-03T14:22:00.000-08:00I cry policy because nobody in Oklahoma has any co...I cry policy because nobody in Oklahoma has any conception of the difference! And personally, I think I'll go with multiple examples of such courts: the ICC, ICTY, and such if only because it's nice to have multiple examples and I like to think LD is about say the United States as idealized and sans a certain Texan.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08230753555220163868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-67009498499620318872008-12-03T11:49:00.000-08:002008-12-03T11:49:00.000-08:00I cry "policy!" but then shut up and accept the fa...I cry "policy!" but then shut up and accept the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-15228993325547834402008-12-02T22:15:00.000-08:002008-12-02T22:15:00.000-08:00After discussing the new resolution with my studen...After discussing the new resolution with my students, I think the LD/Policy split shouldn't be focused on the specificity of the topic, but on the modal verb used in the resolution. "Should" (which appears in most policy resolutions) implies evaluating a decision based on consequences while "ought" (the LD verb of choice) implies moral or ethical judgment. "Should" follows after while "ought" precedes.<BR/><BR/>As soon as I realized and accepted that difference, I became much more comfortable with the level of specificity involved in the resolution. And without this blog, I never would have thought about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-54038085250886858052008-12-02T20:27:00.000-08:002008-12-02T20:27:00.000-08:00Matt, yeah, or a "resolutional analysis," whatever...<B>Matt</B>, yeah, or a "resolutional analysis," whatever you want to call it.<BR/><BR/>Also, what <B>TRP</B> said.Jim Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09928624189124041120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-46505415296087977002008-12-02T20:25:00.000-08:002008-12-02T20:25:00.000-08:00The ICC cannot be anything but central to the -res...The ICC cannot be anything but central to the -research- of this topic, so I don't see how it can be anything but central to the actual debate. How the heck else can we intelligently argue this?TeacherRefPoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087147646389275919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6865007.post-16197282371090179552008-12-02T19:35:00.000-08:002008-12-02T19:35:00.000-08:00An beginning Observation then?An beginning Observation then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com